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Ovak Stonecrusher
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I like itJared had an idea where the basic critical strike should be 3, advanced +4, and master +5 so I thought I would throw that out as well. That way those just dabbling have the 3 while the rogues are not penalized from where it is now.
I agree with the others, you need to attend more I have heard it enough time to run out of fingers.and i think the amount of times i have heard an NPC use "parry" can be counted on 1 hand
Ovak Stonecrusher
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I would like to say, that if you mean the fight where War form the Valkin councail aided the players.... mice....with longbow missel systems are NOT mere mice. For the record I now hate archers...with sideburns especially...We had a battle that was 8 on 8. The NPCs were mice (as in one mouse each and not tough). The players nearly died. Fortunately, there were a couple warriors with them...
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so i was on the phone with cristen and we were discusing warrior and rogue and wizard etc. in our bickering and brainstorming we came to some conclusions, the one for rogue i will post here.
for warriors to do decent damage they must invest a discipline. the following thought came over to rogue as well. for this arguement i will say that the damage is decreased to 3, 6, 9.
ninja
1) escape artist
2) mind games
3) critical strike (5 count for 3, time and damage can be added to any critical strike skills the character has)
4) puncture (increase the damage of critical strike from 3, to 4. this effects all critical strikes the character has
now a rogue ninja has a 5 count for 4, a 10 count for 8, a 15 count for 12, AND a 20 count for 16.
and i am completly fine with that, as they have to devote a path and discipline to it.
BTW working on one for empath as well
for warriors to do decent damage they must invest a discipline. the following thought came over to rogue as well. for this arguement i will say that the damage is decreased to 3, 6, 9.
ninja
1) escape artist
2) mind games
3) critical strike (5 count for 3, time and damage can be added to any critical strike skills the character has)
4) puncture (increase the damage of critical strike from 3, to 4. this effects all critical strikes the character has
now a rogue ninja has a 5 count for 4, a 10 count for 8, a 15 count for 12, AND a 20 count for 16.
and i am completly fine with that, as they have to devote a path and discipline to it.
BTW working on one for empath as well
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just so i have it straight........
for almost a year now you have been wailing that the rogues do to MUCH damage and your suggesting MORE?
Christin...stop hitting him in the head please....
I dont see how your math is adding up however:
base.....time.....puncture.....+5charge
3----------5----------4------------8
6----------10---------6------------9
9----------15---------9-----------12
what were you trying to imply that isnt translating for me?
your lowering a level 2 discipline skill to level 1, and why not just take assassin?
I rebut your suggestion as follows since I think it fits your skill set concept more accurately:
ninja
1) spot/throw dagger (Dervish)
2) escape artist
3) Puncture (moves crit damage back to 4/8/12 & gives +1 dmg to throw dagger for 5 count)
4) Resist Mind Effects (chieftan)
for almost a year now you have been wailing that the rogues do to MUCH damage and your suggesting MORE?
Christin...stop hitting him in the head please....
I dont see how your math is adding up however:
base.....time.....puncture.....+5charge
3----------5----------4------------8
6----------10---------6------------9
9----------15---------9-----------12
what were you trying to imply that isnt translating for me?
your lowering a level 2 discipline skill to level 1, and why not just take assassin?
I rebut your suggestion as follows since I think it fits your skill set concept more accurately:
ninja
1) spot/throw dagger (Dervish)
2) escape artist
3) Puncture (moves crit damage back to 4/8/12 & gives +1 dmg to throw dagger for 5 count)
4) Resist Mind Effects (chieftan)
Grand High Chancellor of ROBUST UNPLEASANTNESS
...and the 11th commandment is:
"The stupid shall be punished!"
...and the 11th commandment is:
"The stupid shall be punished!"
more about if they want to do that damage they should pay for it like the rest of us.
escape artist is a first level skill in some places, but i like the set up of your discipline better in a few places. however i prefer the crit strike, then puncture, i discipline should be able to stand alone so having a skill the improves crit strike with no crit strike is silly, but if its a given that it pretty much only workd with rogue then meh.
1)throw dagger
2)escape artist
3)critical strike
4)puncture
base time/damage
5/3
10/6
15/9
with ninja
5/4
10/8
15/12
20/16
escape artist is a first level skill in some places, but i like the set up of your discipline better in a few places. however i prefer the crit strike, then puncture, i discipline should be able to stand alone so having a skill the improves crit strike with no crit strike is silly, but if its a given that it pretty much only workd with rogue then meh.
1)throw dagger
2)escape artist
3)critical strike
4)puncture
base time/damage
5/3
10/6
15/9
with ninja
5/4
10/8
15/12
20/16
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actually after a little more thought i could be fine with the master level skill being something else and the 3rd skill being another crit strike. that way a rogue can still do 12, but has a count to match the lethality of the call
5/3
10/6
15/9
20/12
whoot
5/3
10/6
15/9
20/12
whoot
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I agree with your point on disciplines standing alone, even if its set up almost screams what path WOULD take it; the only current one that comes close to not standing alone is man at arms with the shield skill since it doesnt supply use shield (yes...i know you dont need it to use a shield, ubless you want to do damage as well).
Since you named it Ninjas, and thier mind was a more dangerous weapon than thier tools, how about this Ark:
NINJA/Commando
1) spot/throw dagger (Dervish)
2) escape artist
3) Puncture (2 dmg crit for +3 seconds AND +1 dmg to throw dagger for 3 count)
4) Resist Mind Effects (chieftan)
when used with rogue:
base....time....puncture
3--------5------5/8 sec
6--------10-----8/13sec
9--------15-----11/18sec
Thats like saying lets remove pick lock form a rogue and make then buy a discipline to get it back...
Since you named it Ninjas, and thier mind was a more dangerous weapon than thier tools, how about this Ark:
NINJA/Commando
1) spot/throw dagger (Dervish)
2) escape artist
3) Puncture (2 dmg crit for +3 seconds AND +1 dmg to throw dagger for 3 count)
4) Resist Mind Effects (chieftan)
when used with rogue:
base....time....puncture
3--------5------5/8 sec
6--------10-----8/13sec
9--------15-----11/18sec
I think that could be ok too, but it should still add 1 to thrown to make them as deadly with flying sharp things as thier mythology implies...i could be fine with the master level skill being something else and the 3rd skill being another crit strike. that way a rogue can still do 12, but has a count to match the lethality of the call
5/3
10/6
15/9
20/12
So they should pay to do what they are already supposed to be able to do?!?!more about if they want to do that damage they should pay for it like the rest of us.
Thats like saying lets remove pick lock form a rogue and make then buy a discipline to get it back...
Last edited by Wyrmwrath on Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:26 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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ahhh dont be difficult you know what i mean, ala weapon focus. paths themselves should be only so powerfull. then disciplines augment your path.
as far as the discipline. and this is me trying to avoid the creation of new skills for a moment
1) throw dagger (as dervish, if you already posses this skill you increase the damage by 1)
2) escape artist (as many things)
3) critical strike (as 3rd level avayana)
4) resist mind effects (as chieftan)
great stand alone discipline, that has great synergy with a few things
as far as the discipline. and this is me trying to avoid the creation of new skills for a moment
1) throw dagger (as dervish, if you already posses this skill you increase the damage by 1)
2) escape artist (as many things)
3) critical strike (as 3rd level avayana)
4) resist mind effects (as chieftan)
great stand alone discipline, that has great synergy with a few things
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I wanna wedgie the gripers about new skills, its how some of the cool ones we have now got added!
anyhow....
but yes its an interesting discipline.... no ninja costume for you though!
anyhow....
Dervish only skill as far as I can tell so no way to get it twice.1) throw dagger (as dervish, if you already posses this skill you increase the damage by 1)
but yes its an interesting discipline.... no ninja costume for you though!
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*chuckle* Josh and I bicker about mechanics all the time. He's played a LOT of games, as well as ran his own successful FH game for 4 years. He usually knows what he's talking about and talks me off the roof when I'm not understanding the larger picture. Not to mention, he is SO much better with math than I am.
Really, his point that warriors, to truly be masters of the combat damage art... HAVE to pair that with a discipline is a real one. And honestly, that's fine. There SHOULD be one discipline that beautifully synergies with each path.
Healer / Paladin
Wizard / Arcane
Warrior / Knight
I even loved the idea Josh threw out there last night of a Jack discipline to compliment the path:
Level 1: level 1 discipline skill
Level 2: level 1 discipline skill
Level 3: level 2 discipline skill
Level 4: level 3 discipline skill
What that accomplishes is that if your path is really the driving force behind your character concept, there is at least one discipline that really beautifully works with that path to make you the penultimate in that particular path.
Then again... I also believe that Bureaucrat should be a path... imagine the possibility...
Really, his point that warriors, to truly be masters of the combat damage art... HAVE to pair that with a discipline is a real one. And honestly, that's fine. There SHOULD be one discipline that beautifully synergies with each path.
Healer / Paladin
Wizard / Arcane
Warrior / Knight
I even loved the idea Josh threw out there last night of a Jack discipline to compliment the path:
Level 1: level 1 discipline skill
Level 2: level 1 discipline skill
Level 3: level 2 discipline skill
Level 4: level 3 discipline skill
What that accomplishes is that if your path is really the driving force behind your character concept, there is at least one discipline that really beautifully works with that path to make you the penultimate in that particular path.
Then again... I also believe that Bureaucrat should be a path... imagine the possibility...
I would think there should be a "perfect discipline" from each lifestyle that doesnt require the expansion.
for example (dont know there are the best fits)
PATH....Privileged-----Common--------Savage
Empath/witch hunter--arcanist-----------tribal protector
Healer/none-----------undead hunter----druid
Rogue/assassin--------scout--------------dervish
Sage/spy---------------druid--------------tribal protector
Warrior/knight---------man at arms------none(used to be Barbarian)
Wizard/witch hunter---witch hunter------arcanist
for example (dont know there are the best fits)
PATH....Privileged-----Common--------Savage
Empath/witch hunter--arcanist-----------tribal protector
Healer/none-----------undead hunter----druid
Rogue/assassin--------scout--------------dervish
Sage/spy---------------druid--------------tribal protector
Warrior/knight---------man at arms------none(used to be Barbarian)
Wizard/witch hunter---witch hunter------arcanist
Grand High Chancellor of ROBUST UNPLEASANTNESS
...and the 11th commandment is:
"The stupid shall be punished!"
...and the 11th commandment is:
"The stupid shall be punished!"
brian if "ninja" became a discipline then there would be a way to get it twice right? full rogue, full ninja, level 1 dervish, etc.
the empath one was to the effect of
-enchant weapon
-magic fear (lower level then fear as it has "magic" added to it. if you already have magic fear you can use it twice per life point spent
-channel (10 for 5)
-something (cant be resist magic as no matter the lifestyle you could have it twice) perhaps concentrate magic? the 2 magic lash, if you already have it you can use it twice per life point?
the empath one was to the effect of
-enchant weapon
-magic fear (lower level then fear as it has "magic" added to it. if you already have magic fear you can use it twice per life point spent
-channel (10 for 5)
-something (cant be resist magic as no matter the lifestyle you could have it twice) perhaps concentrate magic? the 2 magic lash, if you already have it you can use it twice per life point?
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true but a savage ninja seems silly to me, hence the responce. Figured "ninja" would be common or priviledgedbrian if "ninja" became a discipline then there would be a way to get it twice right? full rogue, full ninja, level 1 dervish, etc.
the empath one was to the effect of
-enchant weapon
-magic fear (lower level then fear as it has "magic" added to it. if you already have magic fear you can use it twice per life point spent
-channel (10 for 5)
-something (cant be resist magic as no matter the lifestyle you could have it twice) perhaps concentrate magic? the 2 magic lash, if you already have it you can use it twice per life point?
I counter with:
Warlock
1-basic wizard spell
2-torture mind (as consume brain but target must be living...when the warlock starts. treated as a killing blow) 30 second charge
3-disenchant
4-magic supress (30 charge, terget hit with packet cannot use any skill with MAGIC in the call, magic item, or any channel skill for 2 minutes, until disenchanted, or warlock dead.)
already have it you can use it twice per life point?[/quote]
Grand High Chancellor of ROBUST UNPLEASANTNESS
...and the 11th commandment is:
"The stupid shall be punished!"
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"The stupid shall be punished!"