Resist, Immune, No effect

Zeira · Post by **Zeira** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:44 pm

It's cheezy because there is no way to know that your attacks are not effecting your opponent because you are not being told the strikes are having no effect. After my first attack has no effect something should let me know that my melee strikes are having no effect and that you are not cheating. Much like how saying 'Resist' lets someone know that ball of magic didn't just blow a hole in your chest, I want to know when my stabs are not chipping you armor.

GM-Phil · Post by **GM-Phil** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:48 pm

Personally Chris as much as I like the Rp aspect.. you are adding to much to the resists there.. Keep it simple.. Just make it a mandatory call. no if's and or buts. If you can Resist or are Immune to a call just make them call it ( or at least a call of No Effect which as my earlier post says I like better).

As for Defensive Matrix, I really have not seen this as a big problem.. generally if someone is swinging One's at a target, after about 30seconds of that target not really defending, you have to assume he is in DM (if that character is a warrior.. otherwise he probably has a POV potion going) - either way it becomes obvious that you are doing no damage.

As a warrior myself I actually try to actively defend while in DM to make them wonder longer. Now if someone was beating on me and asked if they were doing any damage I would probably feel obligated to tell them "NO" (thats just me).. or be funny and just swing "0" at them and see if they figure it out.

Either way DM is a utility skill.. Although to announce it or Hold Ground would probably reduce the effectiveness of the skills.. as most people know the weaknesses of these skills and as soon as they heard that call would immediately try to work around them.. Where as right now the Warrior can usually stall someone out for at least 10-30 seconds while their opponent tries to figure out what the Warrior is doing.

Information is Ammuntion.. no need to give the bad guys all the Ammo.

Post by **GM_Chris** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:07 pm

Personally Chris as much as I like the Rp aspect.. you are adding to much to the resists there.. Keep it simple.. Just make it a mandatory call. no if's and or buts. If you can Resist or are Immune to a call just make them call it ( or at least a call of No Effect which as my earlier post says I like better).

I thought I said that.

I tend to agree that a person should be able to play oppossim, which means that you should not be requierd to call resists immediatly.

If you use pary then call pary, but I can see things like sleep being delayed.

GM-Phil · Post by **GM-Phil** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:31 pm

Yes, but once you make one exception, others start to come up.. people will ask about this skill, and another skill.. and so on.. if you make a flat call with no exceptions you make a rule that covers all bases as best as possible.

As for the Sleep thing.. exactly how many times in a year does a player get slept, in a situation where playing possum will save their life.. 1-2 times..maybe.

So should we make a rule exception for something like that.. I think not.

Woden · Post by **Woden** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:30 pm

Resists HAVE to be called immediately. (if a number has to used then 3 seconds is the absolute max)
If I hit you with a '30 magic' and you fall and I run away and attack someone else and you stand up 10 seconds later and say 'resist', I say 'BS'. I should know on the spot if your head exploded or not.
Also there is a HUGE difference between 'Resist Sleep' and 'Awaken' (though it might need to be edit-checked in the Palladin) in the a 'Resist' HAS to be called/used right away (exact limit tbd apparently), while 'Awaken' can be used at ANY TIME within the 'Sleep' effect. I could lay on the ground for 3 minutes while being asleep then be 'Awaken'ed and run away. It has always been my understanding that that is why the cost is 2LP not 1LP.

In any case I am for calls, resists included, always being both immediate and audible. It eliminates a)confusion b)cheese & c)exceptions

Atrum Draconus · Post by **Atrum Draconus** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:30 am

I think the reason it costs 2 pts is because you can wake yourself up. You can't with normal awaken. So, a palladin waking themselves up should be able to do it at any point in the time they are asleep because it's not a resist.

Post by **GM_Chris** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:59 pm

My point is awakening yourself is a worse skill than resist as it costs 2 life instead of 1.

I still think you could resist a non damageing effect like sleep, poison, or disease, anytime.

Atrum Draconus · Post by **Atrum Draconus** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:57 pm

I really don't get it. If you want to add role play drama call the resist and continue to role play to do it any other way brings in all those things Todd listed and don't really help the game in any fashion.

GM-Phil · Post by **GM-Phil** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:03 pm

Really, there is no issues with Resists and Immunities as they are now.. as for the Paladin ability.. it is neat that you can use it after you have been slept.. but as with most skills it is situational.. sometimes it will be good, sometimes not.. which in my mind makes it a good skill..

i see any skill that is useful all the time in every situation as a possible broken skill and something to be looked at.. but for now none of the resists or Immunities are as such.

And I would say one last time that all I would ask for is a new call - "No Effect" in place of Resist or Immune. Also of course make them all Mandatory, as Todd said it just helps in the long run.

Post by **GM_Chris** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:21 pm

Im still trying to figure out what is wrong with:

If you have resist posion/sleep you may call resist posion/sleep audibly at any time to remove the effect of posion/resist

How does this cause all kids of problem?

Ark · Post by **Ark** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:39 pm

i dont know either, i have always been fine with call resist if you can resist, immune if immune, parry, etc.

Woden · Post by **Woden** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:08 pm

Chris wrote:Im still trying to figure out what is wrong with:
If you have resist posion/sleep you may call resist posion/sleep audibly at any time to remove the effect of posion/resist

Like I said..

If I hit you with a '30 magic' and you fall and I run away and attack someone else and you stand up 10 seconds later and say 'resist', I say 'BS'. I should know on the spot if your head exploded or not.

.. and if one of them HAS to be immediate, then they all should to avoid exceptions.

cole45 · Post by **cole45** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:22 am

i'm with todd.

Post by **GM_Chris** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:38 am

Your problem with the delayed call is how you percieve the call.

You can look at wolverine as having "resist damage"

Yeah he gets hurt but he gets better.

Plus my example was sleep and posion not magic damage, though I dont have much of an issue with that either.

Example;

You summon forth magical fire sending it toward your apponent, his cloths burn off his body as his flash begins to melt as he crumbles to the ground. You turn to walk away and as you do so the man stands, skin reparing itself...."You will have to better than that" he says grinning. Then a shadow forms behind him sticking him through he falls over dead as Atrum says "yeah resist that witch hunter"

Atrum Draconus · Post by **Atrum Draconus** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:32 pm

What works in movies and books doesn't always work in LARP. Yes that's much more dramatic and such but you could obviously see that happening and take appropriate action, like shanking them. It's not that I don't agree with delayed calls being more dramatic, I just think that it makes for BAD BAD LARP rules. In LARP you don't get to rely on special effects or a craftily woven description to tell you what's going on you have short concise words that are descriptors and you make up the rest in your imagination, or you just move along with the next logical step.