Focus item

Baxtor Warren · Post by **Baxtor Warren** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:43 am

i was wondering if you have a master focus item, is there a armor restriction because i do not see it in the description, also do you have to be a wizard or arcanist to use it, it states anyone may buy at game on or have crafted, and if it is only used for the throw magic and counter spell its pretty powerfull

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:33 pm

The way it was put to me is that in order to use an Advanced Focus, you have to be able to cast Advanced level spells/brew Advanced potions, and same for Master.

I have no idea about the armor restriction, but I would assume light or less.

Ark · Post by **Ark** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:19 pm

not sure about advanced, im not sure if you have to be advanced or master level Arcanist or wizard.

but i do know you have to be master level arcanist or wizard to use the master one, and as those paths/disciplines are restricted to light, i would asume they are as well.

-Ark

Francesco DeLemuerte · Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:43 pm

Ark wrote:but i do know you have to be master level arcanist or wizard to use the master one,
-Ark

Show me where in the rulebook or expansion it says I have to be a master arcane/wizard to use a master focus or that I have to be an advanced arcane/wizard to use an advanced focus.

If it's not in the rule update section or rulebook, it's a field call. As such it only lasts until of that event.

Ark · Post by **Ark** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:55 am

Francesco DeLemuerte wrote:Show me where in the rulebook or expansion it says I have to be a master arcane/wizard to use a master focus or that I have to be an advanced arcane/wizard to use an advanced focus.

If it's not in the rule update section or rulebook, it's a field call. As such it only lasts until of that event.

no, because its probobly not worded there, no matter how the item was intended. but never the less thats how it is. i really have no intention of discussing rules anymore, i find im very busy these days, and have removed myself to a "play the game at the game and help the new people" state of mind.

if you would like to play it how you know it is not intended, get pulled aside by a GM and explained to by them how you knew what was meant but cheezed it anyway because its not written, fine, im sure they will be more than happy to warn and correct you. trust me i know

i however, am going to explain the correct way to use them to the best of my abilities to anyone that asks, this keeps them from getting pulled aside by a GM, and helps them to understand the correct rules.

but you can do whatever you want

Kalphoenix · Post by **Kalphoenix** » Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:57 pm

Ark wrote:no, because its probobly not worded there, no matter how the item was intended. but never the less thats how it is..

Let me just say that while I AGREE that people shouldn't cheese, our definition of cheesing may vary wildly. I am against the usage of a "spirit of the rules" mindset. If something is INTENDED to be a certain way, then it needs to be in the rulebook that way, so that it is CLEARLY DEFINED FOR EVERYONE. Yes, accidents make it/don't make it into the rulebook, it happens. If there is a break in the rulebook, then that's something that needs to be gone over at game-on by the GMs until it can be fixed and/or an errata sheet provided at game on for people who miss the meeting.

cole45 · Post by **cole45** » Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:08 pm

What Kiel said.

There are more than a few things that need a full bevy of corrections, we knew this going into this season, and will do so according.

I have been burned by field calls in the past, so I dislike them. Anything not in the rule book or the errata forum, is indeed a field call.

any and all rule issues need to be addressed. We are working to get them corrected.

Ark · Post by **Ark** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:21 pm

i am sorry if that post seemed angry, everyone knows the rules are not all done and written and being changed, and should not abuse it. i just hate the reasoning of "it does not say i cant" that really iritates me personally, its a little kids response and poeple always know better, at least i hope they do

Kalphoenix · Post by **Kalphoenix** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:34 pm

Ark wrote: i just hate the reasoning of "it does not say i cant" that really iritates me personally, its a little kids response and poeple always know better, at least i hope they do

You'd think.

But we've learned over the years that this is NOT the case. And there has been a awful lot of forgiveness by the gamestaff of both games for people who ARE outright cheaters (I could list examples, but it's really not necessary), whereas someone following the written rules is not cheating.

There seems to be this mindset I see when dealing with rulebreaks where everyone MUST be psychic and therefor if the rules aren't being followed based on some invisible code, they are cheaters or immature. Unless the player made an effort to conceal the rulebreak, it's not a "little kid's response," it's what the rules say, legitimately.

It's just better to clarify and correct. It may not be EASIER, but it fairer for everyone.

Pugo Redfang · Post by **Pugo Redfang** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:24 pm

Ahem Heidi, sing it sister sing it.

cole45 · Post by **cole45** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:27 am

can a wizard buy two focus items?

why would you do that?

counterspell. for three mystic.

Post by **Zydana** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:39 am

or multiple labs to make more potions?

GM-Phil · Post by **GM-Phil** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:13 pm

Can a Wizard buy two Focus Items? - That is something we will have to address definetly.

Can you buy Multiple Alchemy Labs? - Yes

Does having Mulitiple Labs let you make more potions? - No

A Character is limited to being able to make a maximum of

4 Basic Potions
3 Advanced Potions
2 Master potions

During an event with the aid of an appropiate level Alchemy Lab. I hope to get this more clearly written during the off season as well as the Focus Items more clearly defined.

This year has brought many things to our attention and with the help of all the players questions we hope to be able to give you that much better a game as the years go on.

Post by **Zydana** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:12 pm

Aidan_Mcpryde wrote:Can a Wizard buy two Focus Items? - That is something we will have to address definetly.

Can you buy Multiple Alchemy Labs? - Yes

Does having Mulitiple Labs let you make more potions? - No

A Character is limited to being able to make a maximum of

4 Basic Potions
3 Advanced Potions
2 Master potions

During an event with the aid of an appropiate level Alchemy Lab. I hope to get this more clearly written during the off season as well as the Focus Items more clearly defined.

This year has brought many things to our attention and with the help of all the players questions we hope to be able to give you that much better a game as the years go on.

Erm..

when it's rewritten, keep in mind that the book states that you CAN buy wizard (as a discipline) more than once..

Also, as we all know, there is a wizard path and discipline. If someone took full path wizard, 1st discipline full wizard, as well as sinking the rest of their points into wizard as their 2nd and 3rd disciplines, I would assume that the above would NOT be the max.

*****

erm.. I can't find that now... but I swear it did earlier.

GM-Phil · Post by **GM-Phil** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:41 am

A Character is limited to being able to make a maximum of

4 Basic Potions
3 Advanced Potions
2 Master potions

These are the Maximum potions a player may "brew' with Alchemy Labs during an event - not their maximum potions that they may bring into game.