Advanced skills

dier_cire · Post by **dier_cire** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:08 pm

lol, just noticed you can deal damage while in negatives with a fist and a hero point via Perservereance. Not really game breaking, due to the healing changes but kinda cool.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:49 pm

What are you talking about?

Peace420 · Post by **Peace420** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:32 pm

I don't think you need the advanced skill if you use a hero point to deal damage. It's the no blocking thing that gets you.

dier_cire · Post by **dier_cire** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:41 pm

well, normally you can't run around swinging damage while bleeding to death even with Perserverance. Since in Perserverance it specifically says "skills anyone can do", you could use 'wield fist'.

But that does ask the question if you have Perserverance and you use a hero point, could you call damage with a weapon?

Adam · Post by **Adam** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:43 pm

Can't ANYONE swing a sword for 1 damage?

dier_cire · Post by **dier_cire** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:44 pm

not if they are in negatives.

this will probably help:
Perseverance - While in negatives, can run, yell, drink potions, and use any “special action available to all character types” that takes less than one minute to perform. These include killing blows and carrying another person. If you have Determination, you can also continue to block incoming damage.

Adam · Post by **Adam** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:48 pm

But isn't that the skill.

"While in negatives..."

Adam · Post by **Adam** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:51 pm

I guess one need to define "special action." Maybe Wield Fist shouldn't be a special action, just a combat provision.

dier_cire · Post by **dier_cire** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:53 pm

no one can swing damage while in negatives. Even with determination. Perservance does not say you can swing damage it's just running around. However, it does say that you may specifically use the skills listed in “special action available to all character types”. This includes 'wield fist' (and the breaking weapon attacks) which is a skill, not an inherit ability that was revoked.

Adam · Post by **Adam** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:03 pm

Don't get me wrong, I'm arguing against somthing that would benefit my character. Maybe "Wield Fist" need to be re-catagorized.

Post by **GM-Mike** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:25 pm

I don't have a problem with this. Actually sounds pretty cool to me.

Peace420 · Post by **Peace420** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:01 pm

so you could swing 1 with a hero point in negs with a fist but not a weapon? That actually does sound fine, and heroic.

*ducks*

Adam · Post by **Adam** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:30 pm

Any one can use a sword to swing for 1 damage. You need a special skill to do damage with a fist (hero points and ALL other skills aside for the moment. I'm talking contunuous, non-boosted damage).

With Perservereance and a hero point, you can do damage with a fist, but not a sword.

It just sounds a little weird to me. But if nobody has any problems with it...

dier_cire · Post by **dier_cire** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:51 pm

Just imagine it as the classic, good guy has been shot in the arm, is on his last bit of energy, can't even pick up his weapon, moment. The bad guy moves in and gets cracked in the jaw and goes down.

I'm not usre I care if you call one with a weapon, though it'd have to be added that a weapon may be swung for 0 damage. Then you'd have the ending scene from "The Patriot".

General Maximus · Post by **General Maximus** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:13 am

Advanced rule question.

We need to update the regneration skill in defense so it falls in line with the curent regeneration skills.