Poor Valkyn Vi, maybe next year eh?


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Post Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:49 pm

Poor Valkyn Vi, maybe next year eh?

to be fair you did listen to player feedback, on the flip side you took a good idea and made it useless.

1.Change Level 4 “Dodge” to “Divination.” Spend a Permanent Life Point per scene. Get to ask 3 questions. Only used at end of scene.
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Post Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:02 pm

Re: Poor Valkyn Vi, maybe next year eh?

Well, we'll see how it goes. We thought of all kinds of good uses for it but to each their own...
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Post Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:13 pm

Re: Poor Valkyn Vi, maybe next year eh?

In another thread, it was Art who proposed something very similar (and quite a few people liked it) to what is currently in the rule book. The change is that it's at the end of the scene rather before the scene. I took the "HUH?!" stance to this initially too, but as I thought about it, it doesn't really matter honestly.

I took the iZombie approach to this. Something in the scene triggers some sort of vision/premonition for something later in the event. We are usually confronted with the baddie, or his minions early in the event. Ok, we learn the name of the baddie or organization - the Valkyn'Vi can then ask questions regarding that.

The rule doesn't say if these need to be yes or no questions..

If they are yes/no questions, a life point might be a steep price, if not, well.. then maybe the skill is a bit over powered. There should be some feedback as this is play tested! :D

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Post Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:00 pm

Re: Poor Valkyn Vi, maybe next year eh?

I take it as you can only ask questions at the end of the scene about the scene you just ended, its a hindsight skill. usually at the end of a scene we figure out what we need to know or already learned what we were after. mybe it will have some niche use, but I will defer to you as you play a VV.
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Post Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:40 pm

Re: Poor Valkyn Vi, maybe next year eh?

The problem with asking questions before a scene is that we're not psychic. We can't determine how a scene is going to play out before it actually happens, but we CAN clarify important information for the PC's after the fact.

There have been countless times in which mistaken assumptions or motives might have had a major impact on events. If we had done nothing but given the Valkyn'Vi the ability to ask the single question "Hey, is that guy going to betray us?" after a scene this would be one of the powerful skills ever introduced. We're giving you three questions, and they can be a lot more nuanced than that.

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Post Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:21 am

Re: Poor Valkyn Vi, maybe next year eh?

I'm currently deferring to and agreeing with Zydana, it could be niche and meh like I said, or it could be overpowered as she suggested. this skill is very dependent on the plots and GM's so we will see how it goes :D
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Post Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:56 pm

Re: Poor Valkyn Vi, maybe next year eh?

With some cunning thought, questions after a scene to clarify what just happened can be as much or more powerful than a pre-scene question reavealing something in the script that we might run into.

Just spitballing, some ideas I would try to ask:

-After a seemingly genuine guy points us in a direction for our own safety, or gives us vital information or an important item. The Valken'vi in the group asks, "So....was that guy lying to us about " x" or "y" to mislead us to screw us over? Or, "it that thing he gave us the real deal that we need to unlock or stop " x" thing?"

-We have this guy in lock-up after he killed some people at his house. Did he do that under his own volition?

-Is that little kid that just left after asking a bunch of suspicious questions casing us for some baddie looking for weaknesses in town to exploit?

Plus it's three questions: unlike a single sage hint, each one after the first can use the previous questions' answers to narrow in the next one if you need it to.
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Post Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:41 am

Re: Poor Valkyn Vi, maybe next year eh?

yup the more I consider it the more I actually get worried about it depending on how it works, I'm actually eagerly awaiting feedback after the event because its effectiveness is based so heavily on the plots or GM's running the scenes.

I'm worried it might totally bust plots or story arcs, as others have pointed out you could use it to ask if someone is going to betray you or is misleading you or using you etc. and this could totally ruin or trigger events way faster then intended (though I have faith in our staff to roll with it :P) this could also lead to V'V' being in super high demand and generally low on life points from permanent expenditure as they are going to be hunted down to confirm things via hindsight.

well see, looking forward to seeing how it plays.
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Post Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:13 am

Re: Poor Valkyn Vi, maybe next year eh?

Agreed, waiting to playtest this to make any decisions in it.


With that being said, I still think semi-permanent life points are a little steep and would advocate for semi-permanent essence point loss instead. But again, saving any judgement for Sunday
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Post Mon May 02, 2016 5:50 am

Re: Poor Valkyn Vi, maybe next year eh?

Tested (not as much as I like yet), but so far it has the potential of being one of my most used skills. Definitely a niche skill, I can see people getting upset with it bc of the freedom it allows the user when asking questions about a scene.

There were a few times when it was difficult to tell when a scene had ended bc it overlapped with a current module (ie Mike running through the tavern and yelling at us while we were involved with different npc's) and after the big fight when everyone else had questions, were looting etc.

Personally, I really like it and I'm excited to use it more in depth. I've changed my mind on it being an essence point skill and the only thing I would alter now is not allowing this skill to be used on pc's
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